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On October 19th, 2009, Tally Hall began pre-production on their next full-length album, the title of which has not yet been made public.
{{Infobox album
|title = Good & Evil
|albumart = GOOD-EVIL_COVER.png
|disc_Category = Studio Album
|year = June 21, 2011
|recorded = October 26th 2009-November 26th 2009 at The Sunset Sound Factory in Los Angeles, CA
|length = 48:50
|label = [[Quack! Media]] (2011), [[Needlejuice Records]] (2022)
|producers = Tony Hoffer
|reviews = <!-- links to notable reviews of the album (optional) -->
|addtlInfo = <!-- additional info -->
}}
'''Good & Evil''' is [[Tally Hall]]'s second studio album. It was released on June 21, 2011, by independent label [[Quack! Media]] on CD, vinyl, and digital download. Good & Evil was later re-released on [[Needlejuice Records]] in 2022,<ref name="NJRRCONF">[https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyResoluteHarePogChamp-RL5b8u1a6h90ZSHt Twitch clip about Good & Evil's release date.] ''Twitch''.</ref> with [[Turn The Lights Off (EP)|an accompanying 7" vinyl single]] of [[Turn The Lights Off]] / [[Light And Night]].<ref name="HITSG&EFAQ">Joshface. [https://www.hiddeninthesand.com/blogs/news/2022/08/good-evil-2022-needlejuice-repress/ "Good & Evil 2022 Needlejuice Repress: Here’s What We Know"]. (August 16th 2022). ''Hidden In The Sand''. Retrieved August 20, 2022.</ref>


October 26th, 2009 marked the first official day of recording at [http://www.sunsetsound.com/ The Sunset Sound Factory] with Grammy-nominated producer [http://www.tonyhoffer.com/ Tony Hoffer] and engineer [http://www.toddburke.com Todd Burke].
== History ==
===Pre-Release===
In 2006, Tally Hall would start to perform many new songs, partly due to the fatigue of playing the same couple of songs from their first album for years. These included [[Misery Fell]],<ref>underratedmagazine. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKDRHn4-jzc "Tally Hall performs new song "Misery Fell" live @ in NYC"]. ''YouTube''.</ref> [[Turn The Lights Off]],<ref>vinniec. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxPrPaqMGOY "Turn the Lights Off - Tally Hall Live 09.23.2006 (The Blind Pig - Ann Arbor, MI)"]. ''YouTube''.</ref> and in 2008, [[Sacred Beast]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dk-eMbqjCQ Tally Hall - Sacred Beast. Uploaded October 28th, 2008. YouTube. Video.</ref> These songs seemed more mature than much of their previous work and were fan favorites, some of them becoming standards in their setlist.


It's been said that this album will be considered their "debut" record with [[Atlantic Records]], since the previous release was merely a re-release of [[Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum]]. Because of this, there is a great hope that Atlantic Records will be much more pro-active in promoting this release, which is currently scheduled for sometime in the first quarter of 2010.
In February of 2009, they would schedule multiple performances at the Union Hall building in Brooklyn, New York.<ref>[https://www.irockiroll.com/irir/2009/01/tally-hall-announce-union-hall.html TALLY HALL announce Union Hall residency!] ''irockiroll''. January 9th 2009.</ref> At these concerts, the band would try out new songs they had written the year previous and reworkings of older songs, including [[You & Me]], [[Mind Control]], and [[&]].<ref>Compiled by tapiocattundra / hailey.[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSkJ6iefIBein9ZgmvtvymWeF5ij7fTdk Tally Hall - Live at Union Hall.] February 2009. YouTube playlist. ''Youtube''. Retrieved 15th March 2024.</ref> All of these gigs prevented recording and filming, though people would still find ways to record them.


They have dozens of songs to choose from for track list. Below you'll find a list of those that have been confirmed, either through Twitter updates or the [[Boralogue|Boralogues]], filmed by [[Bora Karaca]]. For a list of the most probable songs to end up on the album, visit [[Songs Played Live & Never Recorded]].
On [[Twitter]], Tally Hall would announce they would be recording a new album sometime in the summer of 2009.<ref>Tally Hall. [https://twitter.com/TallyHall/status/1719518832 Tally Hall tweet about recording in summer of 2009.] ''Twitter''.</ref> This would be rescheduled to the fall of 2009 for unknown reasons. On October 19th, 2009, Tally Hall began pre-production on Good & Evil.<ref>Tally Hall. [https://twitter.com/TallyHall/status/5012668151 Tally Hall tweet about their first day of pre-production.] ''Twitter''.</ref> This would include rehearsing and figuring out which songs would fit on the album. The working title of the record was to be "A Coincidence of Contradictions".<ref name="JH2019I">Joe Hawley. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g7t-2gaQxO0wZ187M5epjiocUdbZs8alQysD7H71xPg/ 2019 Joe Hawley interview.] 2019.</ref> It isn't known when this name was scrapped.


The first day of recording would begin at [http://www.sunsetsound.com/ The Sunset Sound Factory] on October 26th, with Grammy-nominated producer [[Tony Hoffer]] and engineer [http://www.toddburke.com Todd Burke]. Unlike many other artists, Tally Hall was given full creative control by Atlantic Records over Good & Evil, which helped with the general experience of making it.<ref name="AnnArborWebsiteRobInterview">[http://www.annarbor.com/entertainment/tally-hall-preview/ AnnArbor.com interview, March 5th 2010] ''Annarbor.com''.</ref>


=== Confirmed Songs Recorded (In no particular order) ===
It was revealed that they were recording 16 songs on [[Ross Federman]]'s [[Twitter]] account,<ref>Ross Federman. [https://twitter.com/rossfederman/status/5931512561 Tweet about the number of tracks left to record.] @RossFederman. November 21st 2009. ''[[Twitter]].'' Retrieved 10th May 2024.</ref> but when asked at a concert later on, it was said that they had 14 songs, as [[Fate Of The Stars]] was originally split into three tracks.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20150102075105/http://twitpic.com/qffi1 Picutre of the studio's whiteboard (note "Part 1", "Part 2", "Part 3").] Ross Federman. November 21st 2009. ''twitpic.'' Archived via The Wayback Machine.</ref> However, it is worth noting that tracks [[Murders]], [[I'm Gonna Win]], and [[Tomorrow and Today]] were all in contention for Good & Evil.<ref name="JH2019I"></ref><ref name="THUSTREAM2011">Coz Baldwin. [https://www.hiddeninthesand.com/blogs/news/2011/06/tally-halls-ustream-wrap-up/ Tally Hall's uStream Wrap Up.] June 17th 2011. ''HiddenInTheSand.''</ref><ref name = "edu - OndaDrops Vol. 6">[https://www.ondarock.it/speciali/ondadrops06.htm#edu Andrew's interview, bio, and song download.] (In Italian) ''ondarock''</ref><br>
<em>It should be noted that in many major label recording sessions, not all songs recorded end up on the final product.</em>


* [[Turn The Lights Off]]
On November 26th, Tally Hall completed tracking at 1:38am, leaving them one day to prepare for their tour with Rooney and Crash Kings. The tour lasted from November 27th<ref>[https://twitter.com/TallyHall/status/6129324881 Tally Hall tweet about the first day of their tour with Rooney and Crash Kings.] November 28th 2009. @TallyHall. ''[[Twitter]].'' Retrieved 10th May 2024.</ref> to December 20th, 2009.<ref>[https://twitter.com/TallyHall/status/6878192028 Tally Hall tweet about their final night of touring in 2009.] December 21st 2009. @TallyHall. ''[[Twitter]].'' Retrieved 10th May 2024.</ref> This tour also featured the refined instrumentation for the album tracks, including [[Rob Cantor]] performing lead vocals on his song [[You & Me]].
* [[Never Meant To Know]]
 
* [[You And Me]]
In January of 2010, Rob made a note to [[hiddeninthesand.com]] about the album, reading "''We're currently finishing up the mixes and very excited about the new album. can't wait for everyone to hear it...''" hiddeninthesand.com predicted the release date to be no earlier than June 2010, but more likely to be summer 2010.{{cn}}
* [[Sacred Beast]]
 
* [[Hymn For A Scarecrow]]
On January 28th, 2010, Tally Hall posted a blog on [http://www.myspace.com MySpace] indicating they had completed production on the album and had turned the album into [[Atlantic Records]] for review.{{cn}} In an interview with AnnArbor.com two months later, Rob revealed the name of the album, "Good & Evil". Despite this, no release date was publicly revealed and it was assumed to still be released in the summer of 2010.<ref name="AnnArborWebsiteRobInterview"></ref> One song from the album, You & Me, was debuted by Ann Arbor’s 107.1 on March 9th, indicating the album would release later in 2010.
* [[The Gap]] <sup>([[Talk:Untitled_2010_Release|80% certain]])</sup>
 
* [[Misery Fell]]
Meetings between the band and Atlantic Records during April 2010 were supposed to conclude with a release date, but seemingly went unwell and some speculated that the album had been moved to a 2011 release date. On July 4th, 2010, an interview with AnnArbor.com would reveal that the release date was moved to sometime in 2011, but that Atlantic Records remained optimistic about the album.<ref name="AAinterview">[http://www.annarbor.com/entertainment/tally-hall-column/ Interview with AnnArbor.com] when Rob first reveals a "2011" release date ETA for Good & Evil</ref>
 
===Back to Quack!===
[[File:Good-evil-advance-cd-2.jpg|right|thumb|Good & Evil Advance CD, made for radio stations and media outlets for review. The CD features the album [[Good & Evil]] in it's entirety]]
[[File:Goodeviladvancerestored.jpg|right|thumb|The Advance CD's unique cover artwork]]
After a nearly 4 year long partnership, Tally Hall would mutually part with Atlantic Records sometime in early 2011.<ref name="MCAMGITH">[https://mycarandmyguitar.wordpress.com/2011/09/10/interview-tally-hall/ My Car and My Guitar Interview with Joe and Zubin.] ''My Car And My Guitar''. 2011.</ref> In the split, they were allowed to keep Good & Evil and so, they once again signed with [[Quack!Media]] to release it on '''June 21, 2011''', with a tour supporting it in July and August of 2011.<ref>Coz Baldwin. [https://www.hiddeninthesand.com/blogs/news/2011/02/back-to-quack/ Back to Quack.] Feb 24th 2011. ''HiddenInTheSand''.</ref>
 
On May 2nd 2011, the first single from Good & Evil, "[[You & Me]]" was officially released on Consequenceofsound.net and YouTube.<ref name="CoS-YouAndMe">[http://consequenceofsound.net/2011/05/check-out-tally-hall-you-me-cos-premiere/ Link to release of You & Me on CoS] May 2011. ''Consequence of Sound''.</ref> The next day You & Me was released as a single on iTunes,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20140923171800/https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/you-me-single/id435177091 You & Me - Single on iTunes] September 23rd 2014. ''iTunes'' Archived via The Wayback Machine. Retrieved 10th May 2024.</ref>
 
On May 4th 2011, the limited edition vinyl & CD deluxe version of Good & Evil was made available for pre-order on the Quack! Media web store.<ref>[https://twitter.com/TallyHall/status/65582743681105921 Tally Hall tweet about the Good & Evil preorder being available.] ''[[Twitter]].''</ref> With this edition came an instand MP3 download of [[&]], a commemorative trophy individually numbered 1-500, a photo from the [[Welcome To Tally Hall]] music video, a ticket from [[Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum (Place)|Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum]], some [[Merchandise#Vending_Machine_Prizes|forehead tattoos]], and a placard from their 9/17/2008 performance at Club Largo in Los Angeles.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1suEfp0EEc Unboxing Tally Hall's Good & Evil.] ''YouTube.''</ref><ref>[https://www.tumblr.com/effington/5177020313/holy-crap-let-me-check-out-already-i-need-it HOLY CRAP LET ME CHECK OUT ALREADY I NEED IT] effington. 04th May 20111. [Text post about Good & Evil limited edition pre order] ''Tumblr.''</ref><br>
 
Because '&' was included as an MP3 download to those who pre-ordered the limited edition version of the album, it was quickly leaked on tumblr.<ref>effington. [https://www.tumblr.com/effington/5177897785/tally-hall-the-second-single-off-the 'Tally Hall | & The second single off the soon-to-be-released Good & Evil'] 04th May 2011. ''Tumblr.'' Retrieved 11th May 2024.</ref>
 
The same day, Amazon.com listed Good & Evil's full track listing and samples of each song. This would be most people's first taste of most of the studio work they had done over 2009. The song samples were taken down a day later on May 5th, but were saved by members of the community, who spread them amongst each other.<ref>Coz Baldwin. [https://www.hiddeninthesand.com/blogs/news/2011/05/good-evil-track-list/ Good & Evil Track List hiddeninthesand.com post] May 4th 2011. ''HiddenInTheSand''. Accessed 15th March 2024.</ref>
 
On June 7th 2011, pre-orders for the CD went live on Quackmedia.com.<ref name="G&EstandardPO">Tally Hall. [https://twitter.com/TallyHall/status/78188369615663105 Tally Hall announcing the Good & Evil standard pre-orders.] ''Twitter''.</ref> The first 250 orders got an autographed booklet by each member of Tally Hall.<ref name="G&EstandardPO"></ref>
 
In the days leading up to the album's release on June 21st, the members of Tally Hall would host two Ustream events, answering questions and premiering songs from the album. The first of these happened on June 14th, hosted by Andrew, Ross and Rob from Andrew's New York apartment.<ref name="THUSTREAM2011"></ref> They premiered [[Never Meant To Know]], Misery Fell and [[Out In The Twilight]]. The next day, [[Joe]] and Zubin hosted from Quack! headquarters in Ann Arbor and premiered [[Cannibal]], Sacred Beast and [[You]].<ref name="THUSTREAM2011"></ref>
 
===Post-Release and Good & Evil Tour===
<small>''Main article: [[Good & Evil Tour]]''</small><br>
<br>
The day finally came on June 21st 2011, when the album was released worldwide.<ref name="THSite2011">Tally Hall. [https://web.archive.org/web/20110629081210/http://tallyhall.com/ Tally Hall website from 2011] 2011. Archived Via The Wayback Machine.</ref> This came with many positive reviews for its depth and maturity in comparison to their previous album. The album could be streamed for free at tallyhall.com/goodandevil for 48 hours after its release.<ref name="THSite2011"></ref><ref><[https://x.com/TallyHall/status/83911360731287552 "GOOD & EVIL will be streaming for another 2 hours 3 minutes and 17 seconds here: http://tallyhall.com/goodandevil/"] @TallyHall. June 23rd 2011. ''[[Twitter]].'' Retrieved 11th May 2024.</ref>
 
On July 20th, Tally Hall hosted a [[Tally Hall's Open Rehearsal|open rehearsal]] on StageIt.com to raise money for the upcoming tour. On this livestream they answered a couple questions, and performed 6 of the songs on Good & Evil.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTNlIL24_Kk Tally Hall StageIt Concert (Part 1 of 4).] ''YouTube''.</ref> On July 21st 2011, Tally Hall started on the only tour supporting the album, with [[SPEAK]], [[Casey Shea]], and April Smith as opening acts.
 
The last show of the tour would be at Mr. Small's Theater in Millvale, PA on August 20th 2011.<ref name="G&ETourSite">[https://web.archive.org/web/20110710024724/http://goodandeviltour.com/ Good & Evil Tour Website.] Archived via The Wayback Machine.</ref> '''This would be the last time Tally Hall would perform live to date.'''. After this performance, Tally Hall would retire for the fall to pursue other projects,<ref name="MCAMGITH></ref> including music and education.
 
===Needlejuice Reissue===
In early 2021, it was announced that Tally Hall had signed with [[Needlejuice Records]] to re-release Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum and Good & Evil.<ref>[https://needlejuicerecords.com/ufaqs/will-you-be-pressing-other-tally-hall-associated-projects/ Needlejuice Records FAQ] ''Needlejuice Records''</ref> These would release alongside a glow in the dark [[Turn The Lights Off (Single)|7" vinyl single]] of [[Turn The Lights Off]] / [[Light And Night]].<ref>[https://twitter.com/needlejuicerec/status/1493137109980532740 Needlejuice Records tweet confirming plans for the single.] ''[[Twitter]]''.</ref> Vinyl variants include a picture disc and two black & white variants.<ref>[https://twitter.com/needlejuicerec/status/1536524729905041412 Needlejuice Records tweet featuring a new Good & Evil variant.] ''Twitter''.</ref><ref>[https://twitter.com/needlejuicerec/status/1563021034932273153 Needlejuice Records tweet showcasing vinyl variants.] (August 26th 2022). ''[[Twitter]]''.</ref>
 
Good & Evil opened for pre-orders on Needlejuice's website and Bandcamp page on August 26th 2022.<ref name="NJRRCONF"></ref> And by August 27th, Good & Evil was the #1 best-selling album on Bandcamp across all formats.<ref>[https://twitter.com/hiddeninthesand/status/1563470013901578240 Hidden In The Sand tweet exclaiming that Good & Evil is #1 best selling on Bandcamp] (August 27th 2022). ''[[Twitter]]''.</ref>
 
The music video for Turn The Lights Off and all "making-of Good & Evil" [[Boralogue|Boralogues]] are included in the CD as enhanced content.<ref>[https://twitter.com/pingry_ep/status/1587233741654458368 Fan tweet confirming there's enhanced content on the CD.] (October 31st 2022). ''[[Twitter]]''.</ref>
 
==Themes & Artwork==
The main theme of Good & Evil is the concept of duality, an opposition/contrast between two concepts. This is evident in the album title and cover artwork, which uses the duality of goodness, evilness, and black and white respectively. & is another example of this theme, with many of its lyrics showing duality (i.e. "Weak & strong & wet & dry & right & wrong & live & die").
 
This is intentional, as Tally Hall has stated that the concept of duality is prevalent throughout the album.<ref name="AnnArborWebsiteRobInterview"></ref><ref name="MCAMGITH"></ref> In a 2011 uStream livestream, Joe stated there was a story to Good & Evil, specifically the story of "mathematics, or a paradox". Joe also makes reference to a scene in the movie Labyrinth, featuring two guards, one who always lies and one who always tells the truth.<ref name="THUSTREAM2011"></ref>
 
In 2017 (as part of a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwback_Thursday Throwback Thursday]) Joe would reveal a concept for the CD art of Good & Evil on his Instagram page.<ref>@joehawleyjoehawley001 [https://www.instagram.com/p/BRbaYOVDs2i/ #TBT] 9 March 2017. ''Instagram.''</ref> This concept would end up being very close to the final product, as the original 2011 pressing of the CD did not have any text on the disc at all. The Needlejuice version however, has copyright information on the disc.
 
== Track listing ==
{{Tracklist |
{{Track | n = 1 | title = Never Meant To Know | writer = [[Cantor]] | singer = Cantor | duration = 3:40}}
{{Track | n = 2 | title = & | writer = [[Hawley]] | singer = Hawley | duration = 3:14}}
{{Track | n = 3 | title = You & Me | writer = Cantor | singer = Cantor | duration = 2:52}}
{{Track | n = 4 | title = Cannibal | writer = [[Sedghi]] | singer = Sedghi | duration = 3:28}}
{{Track | n = 5 | title = Who You Are | writer = Cantor | singer = Cantor | | duration = 3:40}}
{{Track | n = 6 | title = Sacred Beast | writer = Hawley | singer = Hawley | singer2 = Sedghi | singer3 = Cantor | duration = 2:22}}
{{Track | n = 7 | title = Hymn for a Scarecrow | writer = Hawley | singer = Hawley | duration = 4:50}}
{{Track | n = 8 | title = A Lady | writer = Hawley | singer = Hawley | duration = 1:05}}
{{Track | n = 9 | title = The Trap | writer = Sedghi | singer = Sedghi | duration = 4:31}}
{{Track | n = 10 | title = Turn the Lights Off | writer = Hawley | singer = Hawley | singer2 = Sedghi | singer3 = Cantor | duration = 2:56}}
{{Track | n = 11 | title = Misery Fell | writer = [[Horowitz]] | singer = Sedghi | duration = 3:34}}
{{Track | n = 12 | title = Out in the Twilight | writer = Cantor | singer = Cantor | duration = 2:51}}
{{Track | n = 13 | title = You | writer = Horowitz | singer = Horowitz | duration = 2:57}}
{{Track | n = 14 | title = Fate of the Stars | writer = Horowitz | singer = Sedghi | singer2 = Hawley | singer3 = Cantor | singer4 = Horowitz | duration = 6:50}}
}}
 
=== 2022 Reissue Pre-Gap Track===
{{Tracklist |
{{Track | n = 0 | title = Light & Night | writer = Cantor, [[Ross Federman|Federman]], Horowitz, Sedghi | singer = Cantor | singer2 = [[Nellie McKay]] | duration = 4:19}}
}}
 
==Liner Notes==
<div class="toccolours mw-collapsible mw-collapsed">
<div><h3>2011</h3></div>
<div class="mw-collapsible-content">
<blockquote>
Produced by TONY HOFFER<br>
<br>
Recorded by TODD BURKE at Sound Factory, Los Angleles, CA<br>
Assisted by CAMERON LISTER & CLINTON WELANDER<br>
Studio Tech: WREN RIDER<br>
Dog: ABBEY<br>
<br>
Mixed by TONY HOFFER<br>
Mastered by DAVE COOLEY at  Elysian Masters, Los Angeles, CA<br>
<br>
Management: GARRY KIEF & CYNDI LYNOTT, Stiletto Entertainment<br>
A&R: LEIGH LUST<br>
U.S. Booking: ERIK SELZ, Red Ryder Entertainment<br>
International Booking: PAUL BOSWELL, The Free Trade Agency<br>
Legal: MICHAEL GOLDSMITH, Grubman Indursky & Shire<br>
Business Management: JEN CZIN & ILENE BASHINSKY, RZO<br>
Art Direction & Design: JOE HAWLEY<br>
Various Things: AL McWILLIAMS & ZACH CURD<br>
Not to mention <span style="color:#FF8800">BORA KARACA</span><br>
<br>
Thanks for continued support from our FAMILIES, FRIENDS, FANS & ASSOCIATES.<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div class="toccolours mw-collapsible mw-collapsed">
<div><h3>2022</h3></div>
<div class="mw-collapsible-content">
<blockquote>
Produced by TONY HOFFER<br>
<br>
Recorded by TODD BURKE at Sound Factory, Los Angleles, CA<br>
Assisted by CAMERON LISTER & CLINTON WELANDER<br>
Studio Tech: WREN RIDER<br>
Dog: ABBEY<br>
<br>
Mixed by TONY HOFFER<br>
Mastered by DAVE COOLEY at  Elysian Masters, Los Angeles, CA<br>
<br>
Management: GARRY KIEF & CYNDI LYNOTT, Stiletto Entertainment<br>
A&R: LEIGH LUST<br>
U.S. Booking: ERIK SELZ, Red Ryder Entertainment<br>
International Booking: PAUL BOSWELL, The Free Trade Agency<br>
Legal: MICHAEL GOLDSMITH, Grubman Indursky & Shire<br>
Business Management: JEN CZIN & ILENE BASHINSKY, RZO<br>
Art Direction & Design: JOE HAWLEY<br>
2022 Poster Design: SEAN DONNELLY<br>
2022 CD Layout: EAGAN LASER<br>
"Turn the Lights Off" Video: DREW MOKRIS<br>
Various Things: AL McWILLIAMS & ZACH CURD<br>
Not to mention <span style="color:#FF8800">BORA KARACA</span><br>
<br>
This pressing is dedicated to the memory of two vital members of the Tally Hall community,<br>
COZ BALDWIN and BEN SANDLER. Thank you for being a part of our journey.<br>
<br>
Thanks for continued support from our FAMILIES, FRIENDS, FANS & ASSOCIATES.<br>
<br>
Music and lyrics ©2011 Tally Hall under exclusive license to Needlejuice Records, LLC.<br>
Lyrics reprinted with permission. All rights reserved.
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Discography]] [[Category:Quack! Media]]
[[Category:Articles with unsourced statements]]

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Good & Evil
GOOD-EVIL COVER.png
Studio Album
Released June 21, 2011
Recorded October 26th 2009-November 26th 2009 at The Sunset Sound Factory in Los Angeles, CA
Length 48:50
Label Quack! Media (2011), Needlejuice Records (2022)
Producer Tony Hoffer

Good & Evil is Tally Hall's second studio album. It was released on June 21, 2011, by independent label Quack! Media on CD, vinyl, and digital download. Good & Evil was later re-released on Needlejuice Records in 2022,[1] with an accompanying 7" vinyl single of Turn The Lights Off / Light And Night.[2]

History

Pre-Release

In 2006, Tally Hall would start to perform many new songs, partly due to the fatigue of playing the same couple of songs from their first album for years. These included Misery Fell,[3] Turn The Lights Off,[4] and in 2008, Sacred Beast.[5] These songs seemed more mature than much of their previous work and were fan favorites, some of them becoming standards in their setlist.

In February of 2009, they would schedule multiple performances at the Union Hall building in Brooklyn, New York.[6] At these concerts, the band would try out new songs they had written the year previous and reworkings of older songs, including You & Me, Mind Control, and &.[7] All of these gigs prevented recording and filming, though people would still find ways to record them.

On Twitter, Tally Hall would announce they would be recording a new album sometime in the summer of 2009.[8] This would be rescheduled to the fall of 2009 for unknown reasons. On October 19th, 2009, Tally Hall began pre-production on Good & Evil.[9] This would include rehearsing and figuring out which songs would fit on the album. The working title of the record was to be "A Coincidence of Contradictions".[10] It isn't known when this name was scrapped.

The first day of recording would begin at The Sunset Sound Factory on October 26th, with Grammy-nominated producer Tony Hoffer and engineer Todd Burke. Unlike many other artists, Tally Hall was given full creative control by Atlantic Records over Good & Evil, which helped with the general experience of making it.[11]

It was revealed that they were recording 16 songs on Ross Federman's Twitter account,[12] but when asked at a concert later on, it was said that they had 14 songs, as Fate Of The Stars was originally split into three tracks.[13] However, it is worth noting that tracks Murders, I'm Gonna Win, and Tomorrow and Today were all in contention for Good & Evil.[10][14][15]

On November 26th, Tally Hall completed tracking at 1:38am, leaving them one day to prepare for their tour with Rooney and Crash Kings. The tour lasted from November 27th[16] to December 20th, 2009.[17] This tour also featured the refined instrumentation for the album tracks, including Rob Cantor performing lead vocals on his song You & Me.

In January of 2010, Rob made a note to hiddeninthesand.com about the album, reading "We're currently finishing up the mixes and very excited about the new album. can't wait for everyone to hear it..." hiddeninthesand.com predicted the release date to be no earlier than June 2010, but more likely to be summer 2010.[citation needed]

On January 28th, 2010, Tally Hall posted a blog on MySpace indicating they had completed production on the album and had turned the album into Atlantic Records for review.[citation needed] In an interview with AnnArbor.com two months later, Rob revealed the name of the album, "Good & Evil". Despite this, no release date was publicly revealed and it was assumed to still be released in the summer of 2010.[11] One song from the album, You & Me, was debuted by Ann Arbor’s 107.1 on March 9th, indicating the album would release later in 2010.

Meetings between the band and Atlantic Records during April 2010 were supposed to conclude with a release date, but seemingly went unwell and some speculated that the album had been moved to a 2011 release date. On July 4th, 2010, an interview with AnnArbor.com would reveal that the release date was moved to sometime in 2011, but that Atlantic Records remained optimistic about the album.[18]

Back to Quack!

Good & Evil Advance CD, made for radio stations and media outlets for review. The CD features the album Good & Evil in it's entirety
The Advance CD's unique cover artwork

After a nearly 4 year long partnership, Tally Hall would mutually part with Atlantic Records sometime in early 2011.[19] In the split, they were allowed to keep Good & Evil and so, they once again signed with Quack!Media to release it on June 21, 2011, with a tour supporting it in July and August of 2011.[20]

On May 2nd 2011, the first single from Good & Evil, "You & Me" was officially released on Consequenceofsound.net and YouTube.[21] The next day You & Me was released as a single on iTunes,[22]

On May 4th 2011, the limited edition vinyl & CD deluxe version of Good & Evil was made available for pre-order on the Quack! Media web store.[23] With this edition came an instand MP3 download of &, a commemorative trophy individually numbered 1-500, a photo from the Welcome To Tally Hall music video, a ticket from Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum, some forehead tattoos, and a placard from their 9/17/2008 performance at Club Largo in Los Angeles.[24][25]

Because '&' was included as an MP3 download to those who pre-ordered the limited edition version of the album, it was quickly leaked on tumblr.[26]

The same day, Amazon.com listed Good & Evil's full track listing and samples of each song. This would be most people's first taste of most of the studio work they had done over 2009. The song samples were taken down a day later on May 5th, but were saved by members of the community, who spread them amongst each other.[27]

On June 7th 2011, pre-orders for the CD went live on Quackmedia.com.[28] The first 250 orders got an autographed booklet by each member of Tally Hall.[28]

In the days leading up to the album's release on June 21st, the members of Tally Hall would host two Ustream events, answering questions and premiering songs from the album. The first of these happened on June 14th, hosted by Andrew, Ross and Rob from Andrew's New York apartment.[14] They premiered Never Meant To Know, Misery Fell and Out In The Twilight. The next day, Joe and Zubin hosted from Quack! headquarters in Ann Arbor and premiered Cannibal, Sacred Beast and You.[14]

Post-Release and Good & Evil Tour

Main article: Good & Evil Tour

The day finally came on June 21st 2011, when the album was released worldwide.[29] This came with many positive reviews for its depth and maturity in comparison to their previous album. The album could be streamed for free at tallyhall.com/goodandevil for 48 hours after its release.[29][30]

On July 20th, Tally Hall hosted a open rehearsal on StageIt.com to raise money for the upcoming tour. On this livestream they answered a couple questions, and performed 6 of the songs on Good & Evil.[31] On July 21st 2011, Tally Hall started on the only tour supporting the album, with SPEAK, Casey Shea, and April Smith as opening acts.

The last show of the tour would be at Mr. Small's Theater in Millvale, PA on August 20th 2011.[32] This would be the last time Tally Hall would perform live to date.. After this performance, Tally Hall would retire for the fall to pursue other projects,[19] including music and education.

Needlejuice Reissue

In early 2021, it was announced that Tally Hall had signed with Needlejuice Records to re-release Marvin's Marvelous Mechanical Museum and Good & Evil.[33] These would release alongside a glow in the dark 7" vinyl single of Turn The Lights Off / Light And Night.[34] Vinyl variants include a picture disc and two black & white variants.[35][36]

Good & Evil opened for pre-orders on Needlejuice's website and Bandcamp page on August 26th 2022.[1] And by August 27th, Good & Evil was the #1 best-selling album on Bandcamp across all formats.[37]

The music video for Turn The Lights Off and all "making-of Good & Evil" Boralogues are included in the CD as enhanced content.[38]

Themes & Artwork

The main theme of Good & Evil is the concept of duality, an opposition/contrast between two concepts. This is evident in the album title and cover artwork, which uses the duality of goodness, evilness, and black and white respectively. & is another example of this theme, with many of its lyrics showing duality (i.e. "Weak & strong & wet & dry & right & wrong & live & die").

This is intentional, as Tally Hall has stated that the concept of duality is prevalent throughout the album.[11][19] In a 2011 uStream livestream, Joe stated there was a story to Good & Evil, specifically the story of "mathematics, or a paradox". Joe also makes reference to a scene in the movie Labyrinth, featuring two guards, one who always lies and one who always tells the truth.[14]

In 2017 (as part of a Throwback Thursday) Joe would reveal a concept for the CD art of Good & Evil on his Instagram page.[39] This concept would end up being very close to the final product, as the original 2011 pressing of the CD did not have any text on the disc at all. The Needlejuice version however, has copyright information on the disc.

Track listing

# Title Writers Lead Singers Duration
1. "Never Meant To Know" Cantor Cantor 3:40
2. "&" Hawley Hawley 3:14
3. "You & Me" Cantor Cantor 2:52
4. "Cannibal" Sedghi Sedghi 3:28
5. "Who You Are" Cantor Cantor 3:40
6. "Sacred Beast" Hawley Hawley, Sedghi, Cantor 2:22
7. "Hymn for a Scarecrow" Hawley Hawley 4:50
8. "A Lady" Hawley Hawley 1:05
9. "The Trap" Sedghi Sedghi 4:31
10. "Turn the Lights Off" Hawley Hawley, Sedghi, Cantor 2:56
11. "Misery Fell" Horowitz Sedghi 3:34
12. "Out in the Twilight" Cantor Cantor 2:51
13. "You" Horowitz Horowitz 2:57
14. "Fate of the Stars" Horowitz Sedghi, Hawley, Cantor, Horowitz 6:50

2022 Reissue Pre-Gap Track

# Title Writers Lead Singers Duration
0. "Light & Night" Cantor, Federman, Horowitz, Sedghi Cantor, Nellie McKay 4:19

Liner Notes

2011

Produced by TONY HOFFER

Recorded by TODD BURKE at Sound Factory, Los Angleles, CA
Assisted by CAMERON LISTER & CLINTON WELANDER
Studio Tech: WREN RIDER
Dog: ABBEY

Mixed by TONY HOFFER
Mastered by DAVE COOLEY at Elysian Masters, Los Angeles, CA

Management: GARRY KIEF & CYNDI LYNOTT, Stiletto Entertainment
A&R: LEIGH LUST
U.S. Booking: ERIK SELZ, Red Ryder Entertainment
International Booking: PAUL BOSWELL, The Free Trade Agency
Legal: MICHAEL GOLDSMITH, Grubman Indursky & Shire
Business Management: JEN CZIN & ILENE BASHINSKY, RZO
Art Direction & Design: JOE HAWLEY
Various Things: AL McWILLIAMS & ZACH CURD
Not to mention BORA KARACA

Thanks for continued support from our FAMILIES, FRIENDS, FANS & ASSOCIATES.

2022

Produced by TONY HOFFER

Recorded by TODD BURKE at Sound Factory, Los Angleles, CA
Assisted by CAMERON LISTER & CLINTON WELANDER
Studio Tech: WREN RIDER
Dog: ABBEY

Mixed by TONY HOFFER
Mastered by DAVE COOLEY at Elysian Masters, Los Angeles, CA

Management: GARRY KIEF & CYNDI LYNOTT, Stiletto Entertainment
A&R: LEIGH LUST
U.S. Booking: ERIK SELZ, Red Ryder Entertainment
International Booking: PAUL BOSWELL, The Free Trade Agency
Legal: MICHAEL GOLDSMITH, Grubman Indursky & Shire
Business Management: JEN CZIN & ILENE BASHINSKY, RZO
Art Direction & Design: JOE HAWLEY
2022 Poster Design: SEAN DONNELLY
2022 CD Layout: EAGAN LASER
"Turn the Lights Off" Video: DREW MOKRIS
Various Things: AL McWILLIAMS & ZACH CURD
Not to mention BORA KARACA

This pressing is dedicated to the memory of two vital members of the Tally Hall community,
COZ BALDWIN and BEN SANDLER. Thank you for being a part of our journey.

Thanks for continued support from our FAMILIES, FRIENDS, FANS & ASSOCIATES.

Music and lyrics ©2011 Tally Hall under exclusive license to Needlejuice Records, LLC.
Lyrics reprinted with permission. All rights reserved.

References

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 Twitch clip about Good & Evil's release date. Twitch.
  2. ↑ Joshface. "Good & Evil 2022 Needlejuice Repress: Here’s What We Know". (August 16th 2022). Hidden In The Sand. Retrieved August 20, 2022.
  3. ↑ underratedmagazine. "Tally Hall performs new song "Misery Fell" live @ in NYC". YouTube.
  4. ↑ vinniec. "Turn the Lights Off - Tally Hall Live 09.23.2006 (The Blind Pig - Ann Arbor, MI)". YouTube.
  5. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dk-eMbqjCQ Tally Hall - Sacred Beast. Uploaded October 28th, 2008. YouTube. Video.
  6. ↑ TALLY HALL announce Union Hall residency! irockiroll. January 9th 2009.
  7. ↑ Compiled by tapiocattundra / hailey.Tally Hall - Live at Union Hall. February 2009. YouTube playlist. Youtube. Retrieved 15th March 2024.
  8. ↑ Tally Hall. Tally Hall tweet about recording in summer of 2009. Twitter.
  9. ↑ Tally Hall. Tally Hall tweet about their first day of pre-production. Twitter.
  10. ↑ 10.0 10.1 Joe Hawley. 2019 Joe Hawley interview. 2019.
  11. ↑ 11.0 11.1 11.2 AnnArbor.com interview, March 5th 2010 Annarbor.com.
  12. ↑ Ross Federman. Tweet about the number of tracks left to record. @RossFederman. November 21st 2009. Twitter. Retrieved 10th May 2024.
  13. ↑ Picutre of the studio's whiteboard (note "Part 1", "Part 2", "Part 3"). Ross Federman. November 21st 2009. twitpic. Archived via The Wayback Machine.
  14. ↑ 14.0 14.1 14.2 14.3 Coz Baldwin. Tally Hall's uStream Wrap Up. June 17th 2011. HiddenInTheSand.
  15. ↑ Andrew's interview, bio, and song download. (In Italian) ondarock
  16. ↑ Tally Hall tweet about the first day of their tour with Rooney and Crash Kings. November 28th 2009. @TallyHall. Twitter. Retrieved 10th May 2024.
  17. ↑ Tally Hall tweet about their final night of touring in 2009. December 21st 2009. @TallyHall. Twitter. Retrieved 10th May 2024.
  18. ↑ Interview with AnnArbor.com when Rob first reveals a "2011" release date ETA for Good & Evil
  19. ↑ 19.0 19.1 19.2 My Car and My Guitar Interview with Joe and Zubin. My Car And My Guitar. 2011.
  20. ↑ Coz Baldwin. Back to Quack. Feb 24th 2011. HiddenInTheSand.
  21. ↑ Link to release of You & Me on CoS May 2011. Consequence of Sound.
  22. ↑ You & Me - Single on iTunes September 23rd 2014. iTunes Archived via The Wayback Machine. Retrieved 10th May 2024.
  23. ↑ Tally Hall tweet about the Good & Evil preorder being available. Twitter.
  24. ↑ Unboxing Tally Hall's Good & Evil. YouTube.
  25. ↑ HOLY CRAP LET ME CHECK OUT ALREADY I NEED IT effington. 04th May 20111. [Text post about Good & Evil limited edition pre order] Tumblr.
  26. ↑ effington. 'Tally Hall | & The second single off the soon-to-be-released Good & Evil' 04th May 2011. Tumblr. Retrieved 11th May 2024.
  27. ↑ Coz Baldwin. Good & Evil Track List hiddeninthesand.com post May 4th 2011. HiddenInTheSand. Accessed 15th March 2024.
  28. ↑ 28.0 28.1 Tally Hall. Tally Hall announcing the Good & Evil standard pre-orders. Twitter.
  29. ↑ 29.0 29.1 Tally Hall. Tally Hall website from 2011 2011. Archived Via The Wayback Machine.
  30. ↑ <"GOOD & EVIL will be streaming for another 2 hours 3 minutes and 17 seconds here: http://tallyhall.com/goodandevil/" @TallyHall. June 23rd 2011. Twitter. Retrieved 11th May 2024.
  31. ↑ Tally Hall StageIt Concert (Part 1 of 4). YouTube.
  32. ↑ Good & Evil Tour Website. Archived via The Wayback Machine.
  33. ↑ Needlejuice Records FAQ Needlejuice Records
  34. ↑ Needlejuice Records tweet confirming plans for the single. Twitter.
  35. ↑ Needlejuice Records tweet featuring a new Good & Evil variant. Twitter.
  36. ↑ Needlejuice Records tweet showcasing vinyl variants. (August 26th 2022). Twitter.
  37. ↑ Hidden In The Sand tweet exclaiming that Good & Evil is #1 best selling on Bandcamp (August 27th 2022). Twitter.
  38. ↑ Fan tweet confirming there's enhanced content on the CD. (October 31st 2022). Twitter.
  39. ↑ @joehawleyjoehawley001 #TBT 9 March 2017. Instagram.
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